Everyone's heard of 'projectionism' right? No it's not the study of shining light on film. It implies that people end up seeing what they've been conditioned to see. I think this happens every day - no, every minute even every second - when scholars of early Christianity evaluate what ancient texts are saying about THEIR religion.
So it is that when these same scholars stumble across the references to 'a baptizing John' among the writings of the Mandaean sect of Iraq, Iran and whatever countries will let them free from persecution.
I can't help think that the role that John plays in the early literature of the sect best describes John-Mark's role in what was the heretical communities - i.e. that Jesus heralded John rather than the other way around.
Rudolph identifies a borrowing from legends of the gnostic Christians here. But couldn't the Mandaean 'John' actually be a remnant of a Marcionite-like interest in 'John (also called Mark)' now wholly divorced from Jesus (who we must assume in the late period was identified with Byzantium)?
It at least deserves further investigation ...
UPDATE - I am currently investigating the possibility of the unique Mandaean preservation of the name 'John' - viz. Yuhana - might be a diminutive form of Yohanan. If this turns out to be possible it would certainly blow open the significance of Jesus' mention of the 'sign of John' (e.g., Matt 12:39-41; Matt 16:4; Luke 11:29-32) and even the origins of the dove (Aram. yonah) descending on Jesus.
Please visit my webpage exclusively devoted to the origins of Clement's Letter to Theodore a.k.a. "Secret Mark" at
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